NBS #137: The Gut Problem Behind Mold Illness with Dr. Michael Biamonte

Why does one person become severely ill from mold exposure while everyone else in the house seems fine?

In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino sits down with holistic physician Dr. Michael Biamonte to explore the often-overlooked connection between mold illness, Candida overgrowth, gut health, toxic metals, parasites, and chronic inflammation.

Dr. Biamonte explains why mold recovery isn't just about remediating your home. He discusses how gut dysbiosis, leaky gut, biofilms, and weakened immune function can make certain people far more susceptible to environmental toxins. The conversation also dives into long COVID, spike protein, heavy metals, personalized nutrition, pharmaceutical side effects, and why treating symptoms alone often isn't enough.

Whether you're struggling to recover from mold exposure or searching for the root cause of chronic illness, this episode offers a comprehensive look at how your environment and your body work together.

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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
01:02 Meet Dr. Michael Biamonte
02:10 Why Some People Get Sick From Mold
05:20 Candida, Gut Health & Mold Illness
08:00 How Mold Hides in the Body
11:15 Leaky Gut, MCAS & Chronic Inflammation
14:05 Why Mold Recovery Starts at Home
17:10 Can Mold Mutate?
20:00 Long COVID, Spike Protein & Mold
24:00 Root Cause vs. Symptom-Based Medicine
28:10 Heavy Metals & Environmental Toxicity
31:20 Parasites and Gut Dysbiosis
34:30 Are We Oversupplementing?
38:15 Pharmaceuticals & Nutrient Deficiencies
42:10 Why Healing Requires Fixing the Environment
45:20 Have We Never Been Sicker?
47:45 The Cholesterol Controversy
50:10 The Biggest Lie in Modern Medicine
52:30 Where to Find Dr. Michael Biamonte

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

The people who are suffering interesting if you have five people that would be really bad if the others are bad. My name is Michael Rabino.

SPEAKER_02 0:10

I'm on a personal mission to make sure you don't get sick inside your own home.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

I knew there was something wrong. I'm just so relieved there's something that you can do about it.

SPEAKER_02 0:20

Hello, and welcome to another episode of Never Been Sicker. I'm your host, indoor air quality expert, Michael Rabino. And today's very special guest, Dr. Michael Biamonti. Dr. Michael Biamonti, how are you? Good to see you. Glad you're here.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Thank you, sir. Very glad to be with you.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

So, for those that don't know, Dr. Biamonti is actually my uncle. Uh, there's a whole chapter that you wrote in the first book that I ever wrote called The Mold Medic, uh, where you gave so much valuable information, so I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

My pleasure.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

But you're you're you're someone uh actually, funny enough, we call you Uncle Vitamins. And the reason we do that is because growing up, you've always you know really helped us take more of a holistic approach to medicine and really helping the body get the nutrients that it needs. And um, of course, in my career now as a mold expert, you've been very instrumental in helping, you know, understand from a mold perspective and how that impacts the body. And uh, you help quite a few people, including celebrities, athletes, etc., help people heal from mold. So without further ado, get give people a high-level overview, a little background about yourself, and then we'll kind of get into some fun questions.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Okay, so well, the basic approach, of course, first starts with testing your home, which is your your area of expertise, to see if there is mold there. Generally speaking, the people who are suffering with mold are going to be an interesting group because if you have five people in the house, there's gonna be one or two that will be really bad and the others are not that is bad. And the one or two that are the really bad ones are the ones that are suffering from some type of intestinal imbalance. It's usually a candida overgrowth, but candida is a fungus yeast that grows in your body normally, but it's normally kept under control by the probiotics that exist in your intestines. But once those probiotics are compromised, the candida grows out of control, and it is very similar to a mold. It's in the yeast, the yeast fungus family, which where you could actually also put mold. So those people who have the candida in their bodies are going to be worse off because their immune systems are beaten down by it, and their immune systems are very allergic to the candida, and then therefore anything that resembles candida, which would be yeast and mold. And very often these people have these problems due to other things other than the problems in their house. They've usually abused antibiotics or hormone medications or antacids or other medications which cause the candida to overgrow in their intestines. So rather than the candida being a subdominant organism there, it becomes a dominant one. And when it does that, it just wreaks havoc because it produces alcohol and it releases large amounts of alcohol into your bloodstream and mycotoxins, which are mold-related and/or fungus-related toxins, which cause you could count up to a hundred different symptoms they can possibly cause. Every everything from allergies to rashes to chronic fatigue to um just your your typical hay fever um to rheumatoid arthritis, and the list can just keep going on and on. So when I'm working with a patient who has who's not getting well, that's one of the first things I I suspect. If they only get well to a degree, I'll suspect they may have mold in the house, especially if they start telling me that they're worse when they're home and when they go away, they feel better. That's a huge clue right there. Um and so I will then ask them to have their house checked. And if the house has mold, then we we naturally uh encourage them to do a remediation because if they don't do that, they're not gonna get anywhere. Some people try to do it themselves, which usually doesn't work. But my job is not to deal with their home, my job is to deal with their body. So we have a program where we would test them, we test their urine and sometimes their blood from mold. And if we find the mold there, we look to see what type it is. But most of the molds respond to the same type of medicine. So we only use herbal medicines because the these people are usually so sick that if you try to use pharmaceuticals, they can't handle them. It's too much of a strain on their liver and their kidneys. So we put them on a program of different herbal medicines that will kill the mold. But there's a trick that we do. Because molds and yeast and fungus can be very adaptive, they can genetically mutate very easily. What we do is we have them take, let's say, four different um herbals that kill the mold and have them switch them around every four days. So they'll go 16 days will be one course through. And the reason we do that is because if you continue to take the same medication every day, the mold will start to mutate and become resistive to that medication. And it not only could become resistive to that medication, it could be resistive to medications in general, in which case it then becomes a superstrain. So when we have the persons, when we have the people rotate these things, it avoids that problem. And we first start them off with like an intestinal cleanse to get rid of the mold that's on the surface layers of their intestines, and then we put them from that on a cleanse that destroys the molds totally systemically in their lymph system, their blood system, everywhere in the body. And then the next step is we concentrate on killing it deep in their intestinal tract because that's where it will hide. It will hide in a substance called biofilm, which is like a mucus that your body produces. And when the mold is hiding on the biofilm, it's very hard for your immune system or any of these herbal products to kill it. So we have to put them on things that will bust up the biofilm and also move out any old stool because mold and all these organisms love to hide in old poop, they like to hide in mucus, and they like to hide in this biofilm. So we have to flush that stuff out to um bring them out in the open, so to speak, so that the medicines that we give them can kill it properly. Now, when you're dealing with your intestinal tract, the best medicines that will kill these organisms are fatty acid-based uh medicines. Um, these are things like uh loracetin, caprylic acid, undoselenic acid, and buteric acid. These are natural substances that to some degree are made by your own body, but when you take them in a therapeutic form, they can actually destroy these organisms deep in the mucous membranes because the molds and yeasts and all these organisms like to attach themselves to your mucous membrane, and then they like to sink in a little bit. And when they do that, they some of them actually can uh produce little stickers. That's is what they look like under a microscope. And these little stickers stick to your gut lining, and then they release these little tentacles that break into your tiny blood vessels and they stay they pull glucose and sugar out of your gut lining in order to stay alive. That's that and how they feed on these organisms. So it it becomes complicated to get rid of them when they're deep in the gut, but if you don't do that, what will happen is they'll eventually multiply and then come back at full form again within about four months. So you can clean off the surface areas, you can kill them all over your body, but if you don't get the nest, it's all gonna come back. And especially if the person's well the the first prerequisite is you get them out of the house.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

Because if if people stay in the house, they're just gonna re they're just gonna get it back. So they get out of the house and then they remediate it, and then they can get back in the house, and then we can work on handling the um the problem that they have because it's gonna take at least eight or nine months to fully get rid of these organisms and then to re-implant the probiotics that are supposed to be there to protect them in the first place. Now, there's two areas we're mostly concerned about. The gut, generally speaking, because that's where your microbiome is that's supposed to be protecting you, and then we're also really concerned about the lungs and the sinus, because there's many, many people who have all types of chronic lung problems and sinus problems, and even some have ear problems because of the mold and having having absorbed this mold into their system. And the the problem becomes with standard medical treatment for these things, a lot of the medicines that they give you to kill these organisms also happen to wipe out your normal friendly biome, which makes just makes the problem perpetuate. So if you have somebody who has a chronic sinus infection, he's probably going to get tons of antibiotics from his doctor. If he gets the infection once every six months, every six months he's getting another antibiotic. And when you take the antibiotics like that, they destroy the friendly bacteria that normally protect you against molds and yeast and funguses and all these bad guys. So it's very important when you're treating a person like this, because the lungs and the sinus are harder to get at in some ways and harder to treat. It's very important that you don't have them take antibiotics which will further destroy their biome. There are many natural things that could be used. I'll just throw out a couple. Um citrus seed extract, grapefruit seed extract, it's typically called. It's some technical name as paramycosidin. There is oregano oil, there are tea tree oil products, there's a host of different natural herbal things that will kill these bacteria and these molds and yeasts without having to resort to antibiotics which indiscriminately destroy everything. And that's the problem. Because when the antibiotic gets into your system and it kills the friendly bacteria that's there, then all the surrounding bad guys, the bad actors there, are kicked up a notch. They get they their activity is worse. And believe it or not, there actually are probiotics that live in each part of your body. So in your sinus, just like in your intestinal tract, there are certain strains of probiotics that live exclusively in your sinus. It's true for your lungs, it's true for different parts of your intestinal tract. Um, normally the intestinal tract, the small intestine, which is about 40 feet long, is protected by Lactobacillus acidophilus, which is one of the most common strains of lactobacilli that's a friendly bacteria. Your colon is protected by bifidobacteria. So when you're treating these people, you also want to replenish these probiotics, but you want to make sure you're giving them a host of the appropriate ones depending on what area you're concentrating on. If when you and this this you can find out easily by doing one of the modern DNA stool tests that exist nowadays. And this is what we commonly do with people when they first come to us. We test them for mold and then we'd have them do one of these modern DNA stool tests to isolate all the organisms that they have in their body. Your intestinal tract in any given time has about eight pounds of microorganisms there. And the DNA stool test will isolate which of the which are the bad ones they have and which are the good ones. Where it becomes more complicated, unfortunately, is when the people start to develop a condition called intestinal permeability. It's known as leaky gut syndrome. Um, these different organisms can be so ferocious in your intestinal tract that they can compromise the integrity of your gut lining. They can actually break the gut lining down and cause the gut lining to leak. Now, when this happens, virtually everything that goes through their intestinal tract can to some degree leak into their bloodstream. And this causes the what you're hearing, you hear a lot nowadays about mast cell activation and cytokines. Well, this is what you end up getting. You end up getting these substances which normally wouldn't cause any problem. They would go into your mouth, your body might may digest them, use them as a as food, or expel them, but they leak into the bloodstream, and once they do that, it sets off your immune system to attack them because it says these are foreign invaders. And that's that's what a cytokine storm or a mast cell activation becomes. It's your body's immune system focusing on these things that are leaking in, and it creates a really bad autoimmune reaction. Here's where the here's where you're you're gonna get your your patients who are the most acute have the most uh food reactions, environmental sensitivities, they can't go here, they can't go there, they can't smell this, they can't touch that, because they're just so reactive that they're they're like a time bomb. Yeah, no, luckily that can be handled. You can you can um get rid of these bad bad organ organisms there and you can get the gut to heal itself using different herbs and different nutrients, and then you once the gut heals itself, you can re restore the the proper probiotics. But kind of what the bottom line is, if they don't handle their living environment, this is all for not because it's they're just gonna relapse again.

SPEAKER_02 13:35

Yeah, no, I appreciate that. I think that's really important for people to understand because you know a lot of people um you know have a hard time understanding and confronting the aspect of remediating the house. It can be expensive. You know, if all the windows are leaking and you got to replace windows, your roof's leaking, you know, it ends up being a bigger expense, uh, typically unexpected because people um, you know, many of us don't budget for you know maintenance on our homes. They just we kind of take care of them as they break down, and that's part of our societal shift that I feel like we need to make. Um, I love what you said earlier about you know how resilient mold can be, and how you know it's potentially mutating or is mutating. And you found that treatments are more effective when you're rotating these different herbs in and out to help, you know, essentially keep the body from getting used to it, make sure that the mold's not mutating and getting you know stronger against it, etc. Uh, did you always have that approach? Is that something that you figured out over time that was more effective? Like how did you come to that determination?

SPEAKER_00 14:39

Um, I started back in the early 90s. I was working with a naturopath who was writing a book about um holistic protocols for the immune system. And he was the first one to really um put that there for me, to the point where I went back and I started collecting textbooks on mycology, which is the study of fungus, and I saw that this was a very huge problem that most people completely ignored it. It's very common nowadays when you go to somebody, health practitioner, a doctor, or whoever, and you they either you tell them you have this problem with fungus and yeast, or they come about determining you do, they'll put you on nystatin, which is one of the most common antifungal drugs, and they'll give it to you for a period of about three or four months sometimes if they think you're really bad off. Well, in the books on mycology that I've studied, which are textbooks that you find in any college course on mycology, it's very clearly stated that after about 21 days, these E cells start to mutate when they're exposed to the same medication. So when you have a person who's being exposed to them for months at a time, you end up with a mutated strain. And the mutated strains are almost always stronger when it comes to these organisms. This isn't true of viruses, for instance. Like, for instance, with COVID, the more COVID has mutated over the years, it's become less of a threat. It's not as aggressive. It's not true with these organisms. Um, when I had my my office in Manhattan on Fulton Street, we had a little lab there, and we would collect stool samples from all the patients, and we would culture them to find out which strains of fungus and yeast they had in their intestines. And what was fascinating was that all of the people who came to us who had the story, that I called it the story, they'd sit down and they'd tell me, I've been to ten doctors, I've been doing this for ten years, I've been here and there and there, everywhere, and I just can't handle this candida, it just won't go away. Well, all of these people who had the story had Candida tropicalis or Candida galbrata in their intestinal tract, which are mutated forms. The people who knew nothing about Candida at all that we tested all had Candida albicans, which is your most base strain. So most people start out with Candida albicans in their intestinal tract. That's what you're born with, and then as the organism mutates, it mutates through a different organisms, which I just mentioned. The galbatish strain is very common and tropicalis are very common. So, right there is proof that these people that were being treated, whether they were self-treating or being treated by their doctor, had developed a mutated strain. That's why it was so hard for them to get rid of it.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

That makes sense. So then when you started to actually change the medications up, which obviously were the herbal treatments, you started to see an improvement. Was there like a drastic improvement at that point in time?

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Drastic, because it on my website we have this um we have this little video that explains the the person, the person will say, you know, I've been doing this with the doctor, and then in the beginning I got better, and then all the symptoms start to come back, and the doctor raised the dose of the medicine, and it didn't help, it just made it worse.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

So but we that all that completely stopped when we started to engage in a protocol where we would rotate the medicines way before they could the the organisms could ever mutate. And it just stopped it because every four days you're going to a new medicine and and with the one protocol we have, so it stops any mutation from occurring. And yet it's like again in a new unit of time, you're taking this medicine that's now attacking these microbes. So we either go on four-day rotations or seven, depending on the products we're using. When we get the person into the phase where we're killing the intestinal, the deep intestinal bugs, we like to go a little longer. So we'll go with seven days on the rotation.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

That makes sense. So I want to shift gears a little bit. You know, we brought about, we talked about mold, obviously. You brought up MCAS and how MCAS typically turns on and you see a correlation with leaky gut and MCAS, which I think is extremely helpful because I know a ton of people that are dealing with mold and are dealing with MCAS. Um, but I I also wanted to ask about the any sort of connection because you brought up COVID. We're seeing a lot of people with long COVID coming out of this you know COVID era. And I'm curious if you think there's any triggers between mold and candida and long COVID that could be keeping these symptoms in suspension.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

That's a very good question. That's something that comes up several times a day for me. First of all, there's really no such thing as long COVID. Long COVID implies the person still has COVID or still has the virus, which is not true. When you test people who have long COVID, they're all negative for the virus. Long COVID is either the spike protein, which is still in their body, or it's adrenal exhaustion from having had COVID. The next choice is it's candida. When COVID first broke out, we had a lot of patients coming back to us who had completed our candida treatments 10, 15 years ago, saying, oh my God, I don't know what's wrong, but I feel like the candida is coming back. I don't know what I did. I didn't do anything wrong, blah, blah, blah. It turned out either they got vaccinated and the vaccine caused the candida to come back, or the COVID itself caused it to come back. There are studies out of Japan that clearly show that both COVID and the COVID vaccine kill the bifidus bacteria in your colon, which protects you against the candida growing. So I have found that long, long COVID, quote unquote, is either the work of the spike protein, which is still in your body, it's adrenal exhaustion, or it's candida, or it's all three.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

Okay. That's really helpful. So, really, what we we consider long COVID is obviously just a name and a label for feeling symptoms after getting the vaccine or COVID, but really it's something else entirely.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

True. And one of the biggest dangers is the spike protein because most people are not really aware of the dangers of the spike protein. The spike protein was brilliantly engineered to completely mess up your DNA and many aspects of the DNA in your body. Um when you have the spike protein in your body, it continues to cause genetic weaknesses that you have to come out and come to fruition, which continues to make you sick in one way or another. And it could be something as silly as just an influenza being susceptible to a cold, or it could go up to being cancer. And that's the thing. This is why anyone who's had um COVID or who's been vaccinated needs to go on a program to destroy the spike protein, which is not very hard to do. The spike protein is pretty easily destroyed by different enzymes that you take on an empty stomach. The enzymes go into your bloodstream, they find the spike protein and they disintegrate it. It's not hard to do, but when it's not done, it could be a disaster. And there's not enough, there hasn't been very much attention, I would say, at all in the media really about it. It's been very sparse. Once in a while on Fox News, you'll see a commercial uh by a doctor who's developed. A multi-enzyme formula that's specifically for killing the spike protein. But other than this one gentleman, I haven't seen many people pay attention to it. But yet it's one of the first things I'll do with a patient who's come to me who's been vaccinated a lot. One of the first things we want to do is get rid of that spike protein.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

Yeah, I mean, certainly we've heard I've heard the word spike protein before, and it's definitely something that that's you know people have been talking more and more about the dangers of the of the spike protein from COVID, etc. Is there a way to test for the spike protein and see if it's present? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

You can you can do a blood test for it. A lot of labs offer a blood test for the spike protein. And Dr. Fauci uh years ago said that the spike protein remained in your body only for a few days or a week. I've seen people whose testing two or three years later still with high amounts of the spike protein. So once again, very reliable information from Dr. Fauci.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

You know, I've had COVID twice, and I I think I should get the spike protein checked and seeing how that works. Um I I want to talk about misdiagnosis and misunderstandings. I feel um a lot of people get misdiagnosed. You said people come to you with the story, right? They've been to 10 doctors, they you know, they've they've been through all these directions, couldn't really find answers. You know, why do you think we have such a big problem in America dealing with misdiagnoses and understandings? And you know, what do you think what's something that people can expect to to feel the difference when they come to your practice?

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Well, the first thing I would say is the medicine in general, it maybe it maybe now it's getting a little better, but in in generally speaking, medicine has been symptom-oriented for so long, for years. Um people have gone to the doctor and they've uh been diagnosed with an ailment of some type that has a nice fancy name and it's written up in a textbook with all these symptoms and all this stuff. And they never know how to cure it. They only know that there's this pill, this pill, this pill, this pill that you need to take to suppress the symptoms of it.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

And that's generally how it works in medicine. Medicine, in medicine, you're taught you you never cure the patient because then he's not gonna be there to buy your drugs, and you never kill the patient because then you you're losing him again that way. So that's the that's one of the problems is the orientation of what the goal is in in medicine or the healing arts nowadays. We want to find causes, and we want to correct or eliminate the cause this way that the condition's gone. That's what our goal is. Yeah. So it's a matter of are you are you oriented towards controlling your symptoms or are you oriented and finding the cause and then getting rid of the cause? I think that's what it breaks down to.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Root cause medicine. You know, what one of this other thought that sort of you know cropped up in my mind was um, you know, I I see medicine moving more in this personalized direction. Um, and that obviously would mean that everybody needs to be tested and looked for the root cause and then actually provided a program based upon whatever support they needed. That's something that you practice at your practice, is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Yeah, for 40 years.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

And that obviously 40 years ago, that was way ahead of its time.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

True. The concept is absolutely the other thing you get with um misdiagnosis is uh doctors ascribing the the the cause or the reason to something that's more of an intermediary trigger. So if um candida, let's say, uh candida fungus infection, if that causes rheumatoid arthritis, doctors are going to test the person to see if they have certain antibodies in their blood that cause rheumatoid arthritis or that cause inflammation. So he says, Aha, I found out what's wrong with you. Your pain is caused by rheumatoid arthritis, but what they're not looking at is what's causing, what is causing now the rheumatoid arthritis.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

Yeah, nobody answers that question, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:12

No, but that's what you want to do. And the the other the other thing, too, is um toxic metals in the environment are much more prevalent than anybody would believe. There's a large amount of my practice which is exposed to uranium, inert uranium. It's called it's called dead uranium, basically, but it's very damaging to your kidneys and cause all types of imbalances. And it's unfortunately in very prevalent in like if you go to the west, the southwest areas where they had nuclear testing, that uranium is still there and it's still gets blown around in the wind, it ends up in their water supplies. And over a period of time, it can be really damaging to your kidneys and cause a lot of hormonal imbalances. This is something the doctors wouldn't look for. So um as a matter of fact, I would say that probably 50% of all the ailments that are out there are probably caused underlying by toxic metals. Now, when I say toxic metals, I'm referring to mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic, beryllium, aluminum, also. Any of these elements can build up in your tissues because you can have environmental exposure to them. People who have well water are notoriously high in manganese and iron sometimes. And so, so you know, when you look at this, when you go to a doctor's office, the last thing in the world you'd ever talk about would be these toxic metals. But they actually can be behind a lot of the illnesses that people have. And there we go back again to symptomatic treatment. Because if what the doctor should be doing is testing them for these environmental illnesses. I actually consider what I what I do is really a practice of clinical ecology. I'm testing the person for environmental factors which might be the cause of their illnesses. And that's what we need more of nowadays in medicine.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

You know, you did you said something interesting, you know, talking about well for a second. Um, my sprinkler system, it's gonna sound very minute, but it follow me on this. My sprinkler system was on a well, and uh it every time my sprinklers would turn on, I was constantly having to, you know, pressure wash the house, repaint the house, because basically it would turn orange, right? Because there's so much iron in the well water that it literally would just like stain, have this rust stain pretty much all over my property. And so I abandoned the well, even though it was basically free, right? Because I was not having to pay for water because it was just pumping it through the well. But I abandoned it because it was not only uh an aesthetic problem, but that's what I was concerned about, you know, exposure to too much iron and too much heavy metals as I walked around and the kids played barefoot and I walked around barefoot, et cetera. Like, you know, just just really, I don't think people understand how much exposure they have between the water supply and the other environmental factors with heavy metals. And wanting to close the loop on this for a second, to me, I feel like we always have this trifecta when people are not well. They've got mold in their home, they've got tons of heavy metal exposure, right? We're seeing that gut dysbiosis, the candida overgrowth almost every single time. And then there's uh also this parasites thing is now popping up more frequently. Are you seeing a lot of people dealing with parasites?

SPEAKER_00 29:38

I've been I've been um I've been interested in that subject for many years. Um person who really helped me understand it was Hulda Clark. And you can read, she has various books that you can read. It's um H-U-L-D-A Clark. Unfortunately, she passed away many years ago. But um she's uh quite the researcher. She had several degrees in science, and she was the one who really brought forth again to be acknowledged that this does exist, this problem. And she also came up with a lot of different very viable treatments for it. And but it's not the kind of thing that people will talk about that that easily, because it it sort of implies that you have bad hygiene if you have parasites, which uh is not always not true at all. Doctors tend to think the only places that have parasites are third world countries. Well, take take a walk down the street and start looking at all the people standing around, you'll see a lot of the people from third world countries are standing right here in front of you. And with the advent of uh flying, international flying, they're bringing those parasites with them.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

Years ago, when you went to school to become a tech, a technician that works in a lab, let's say, and you're going to be studying stool samples to identify parasites. Well, those technicians were only taught to identify parasites from the continent that they were on, because it was thought those are the only ones they'll encounter. Now that's completely not true. The curriculums are totally rewritten where they have to be able to identify parasites from anywhere in the world because anybody from anywhere in the world could be coming here bringing them. But once you develop gut dysbiosis, you're more susceptible. What's what's supposed to happen is you're supposed to eat something, let's say the best example is sushi. You eat sushi, it has parasite larva in there, and your stomach acid is supposed to kill it, or the ginger and other herbs that you know you take with it as an accompaniment is supposed to kill it, and then you're supposed to just pass the eggs out. End of story. What happens is nowadays is because sometimes people's stomach acid is not as strong as it should be, or their immune systems aren't as strong, or they have a bad microbiome, this doesn't happen. Those eggs stay in your intestinal tract, and then those eggs hatch prematurely, or if you encountered substances in your environment that could be in your personal care items, like benzenes and wood alcohols, which are in a lot of things, those are those are essentially chemicals that break fats down. Now, parasite eggs are largely fat. So if you have those parasite eggs in your system and you consume benzenes or wood alcohol, it breaks down the fatter, the fatty layer of the outside of the larva of the parasites, and then boom, they hatch. So that wasn't supposed to happen in nature, but that is what's happening.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

So interesting. Yeah, so you're you're saying basically because of how things have evolved and traveling back and forth and everything else, and the food supplies where parasites can typically happen, the gut dysbiosis, not having strong enough acid and stomachs, like we've really got into the situation where parasites are becoming more and more frequent as part of the problem and the toxic storm that we're dealing with.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Yes, I would say that's 100% true. And it wasn't, it's not really supposed to be that way, but when you have all those factors working against you, it becomes a point where parasites can be just as common here as in any third world country.

SPEAKER_02 33:25

Yeah. I I want to shift gears now a little bit and just talk about like overall health and supplementation. Um, you know, first off, do you feel like with the world that the way it is and you can pretty much buy anything you want on Amazon these days? Uh so is that causing us potentially to oversupplement? And there's also that part of the problem.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Well, it's done, yes, that's true, and that's because it's not really done in a scientific fashion. First of all, everyone genetically is different. And that your genetic differences also affect your nutrition, and they affect how your body utilizes vitamins or what vitamins your body may need. And I believe firmly, and I've said this a million times, is that the doctor of the future is going to be someone who will have you come into the office, and he'll first thing he'll do is a series of genetic tests on you. He's going to look at all your genetic weaknesses, he's going to look at genetic tests that will give him more insight into what nutrition your body needs, what vitamins your body may need more than the next pet the next fellow. So he's going to have this genetic data on you, and then he's going to have functional tests that will tell you in real time now what your body needs, how much, how much of whatever vitamin your body's needing. So he'll have both things to look at. He's going to look at what the potentials are, and he can then look for those potentials in the real-time testing. But he'll have both. He's going to know what your genetics are and what you're programmed for, and yet he's going to have these real-time tests that will actually tell him what your body needs now. And between that data, he should be able to navigate you in the right direction.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

Oh. I really I certainly love that picture. That sounds like a fantastic way to do things. So you kind of see where your individual weaknesses are, and then what are the problems you're dealing with right now and supporting those. Going back to up uh this over-supplementation, I mean, you know, obviously the the we're constantly being barraged and sold supplements, and every supplement company has the next best thing, and there's all these fads. And I mean, I can go on and on, right? Like people are taking she legit. Uh you've got like the greens powders, the red's powders, NAD, right? It is all these things that are just they're just like, hey, if you take this stuff, you'll be healthy as an ox, right? So naturally, people start taking stuff, they don't even know what's in it. But um, one of the things that I learned from you growing up was that every single vitamin that you take, every single mineral that you take, it's essentially has a counterbalance, right? And so if you take too much magnesium, for example, that might impact, you know, uh calcium, right? Whatever it may be. And so um, can you can you shed a little bit of light on that and why you know the over-supplementation could could lead to to certain issues?

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Yes, well, this is why we need testing. Um, it'd be great as every every time someone walked into health food store, they could put their hand on some kind of a scanner and it would immediately tell them what they needed, and that would that would be amazing, but we're not up to that yet. That's Star Trek. But this this is the problem. There's people, when you take things without knowing what the balance is in your own body, you can create a further imbalance. And you could there's um a wheel that exists of all nutrients, and it shows you whether or not it opposes another nutrient or it's synergistic or helps that nutrient. And from looking at this, it's it's mind-boggling when you look at the interreactions that occur. Because for every nutrient that exists, there are other nutrients that that nutrient can be antagonistic to or can be a synergist to. And if you don't know what you're doing, because you don't know what your balance is most of the time, most people don't know. They haven't tested themselves. So they don't know where their chronic issues are. Like I personally uh tend to have low copper, so I don't take large amounts of vitamin C or zinc or iron or anything that would further suppress my copper. I take a copper supplement to try to keep it up. And whatever that's just one instance, every individual that you find that you do a hair test on is going to have some issue like this. And I mentioned the hair test because for minerals, hair test is the best because the hair shows you your chronic storage of elements. Uh, blood levels of minerals can change in in five minutes. That's not really valid. So you, whenever you're doing tests for these things, you want to do tests that are either telling you what your utilization is or what your storage is, because that's showing you what's really happening as opposed to just a level that's transient.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

Yeah, that's helpful. I was actually going to ask what's the best way to test for that specifically? So you mentioned it, the hair test.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

Hair is the best for minerals.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

Now I'm curious, and obviously there's a lot of different pharmaceuticals out there, so this is a sort of a broad question, but you know, can pharmaceuticals, like you know, a lot of people are coming, you know, in and just going to doctors and getting things prescribed. Can pharmaceuticals also destroy and and cause some imbalances with vitamins and minerals that people need to be concerned about and test after they're you know gone gone through a medical protocol?

SPEAKER_00 38:36

The interesting thing is that virtually every medic medication, every drug that you bring up actually works by creating a deficiency in a pathway that changes an enzyme that's controlling something. Now, probably w nowadays one of the most famous are statin drugs. Statin drugs create deficiencies of coenzyme Q10, which is the vitamin that everyone takes to keep their heart strong. It keeps coQ10 keeps all your muscles strong, but in particular, coQ10 keeps your heart muscles strong. And taking co the intention of people taking co-Q10 is not have a heart attack. And when you're taking statin drugs, you're taking the statin drugs with the intention of not having a heart attack. Yep, the statin drugs cause a deficiency of coenzyme Q10. So you'll find a you'll know like a HIPAA or a smarter doctor is going to be one if they're going to recommend statin drugs to somebody, which I don't agree with. There's better ways to do it. They'll tell them you have to take coenzyme Q10 with the drug.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

But how many people are actually doing that?

SPEAKER_00 39:45

That's a minority, but it doesn't, it did exist, but it is a minority.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Yeah. Uh that's really helpful. So if somebody's doing a medical protocol or has recently done a medical protocol, it might be a good time to get their vitamin and mineral uh balances just checked out and see where they stand because they might have some deficiencies.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Yeah, the the odds are is they do, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

So uh, you know, we we talked about kind of a plethora of things today, which I think has been very invaluable. You know, obviously we test homes and we help people, you know, create protocols on improving their home environments. You test bodies and create protocols on improving their bodies. I I see this as a very synergistic approach, one in the same, mainly because you mentioned very early on it's kind of hard to heal people when they're stuck living inside the problem. And then even if I fix their house, what what has the damage that has been caused needs to then be reversed, right? And so we we make a pretty good dream team in helping people really overcome this from both sides of the coin. Um, and and you did share this a little bit in the beginning. You're like, hey, look, first things first, you got to get out of the house. Like, can you explain how important that part of it is and and how how really it you you reach a plateau or or what ends up happening that you know causes people to feel stuck if they don't handle the problem in which they're living in?

SPEAKER_00 41:07

I can tell you from my experience, and I deal with several patients a day, easily who have mold chronic mold issues. The only ones who progressively get better are the ones who have gotten out of the environment. It's rare to have anyone who's still in the environment who's who's improving. Usually they start improving when they get away from the environment, and then the changes you're making in their biochemistry and their microbiome and all these things can actually take hold and keep moving in the right direction without being slapped back by the original antagonist, which is the mold. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:42

Now, before we wrap up today, there's a the more fun questions I like to ask towards the end of the show. You know, first off, the the show is called Never Been Sicker. Do you agree that we've never been as sick as we are today? Is that something that you would stand behind?

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Yeah, I would totally stand behind that, and I would bring RFK Jr. in as my witness because he'll tell you, he can tell you exactly why. It's it's incredible. Um, I would recommend people to read his books. It's though he has a tremendous wealth of knowledge, and he has he has a great handle on the how broad, broad this is, these problems, with the the different horrible things that are being done to our food chain, thanks to Mr. Bill Gates, medications, uh mold running rampant in people's houses and people not aware of it. The bigger problem is people aren't aware these things exist. Most people are under the impression that if they if they continue to go to 7-Eleven and buy the fried chicken there, and if they take the drugs their doctor's prescribing, they're gonna and pay their insurance, they're gonna be fine, which is not the case. You have to you have to really be on top of things and know what's know how to read labels. Because there now it they now exist um animal meat, which is grown in laboratories. And the this this stuff looks like the real thing, but it was never alive, it was never part of an animal, it was literally grown in an in a laboratory, just like some futuristic sci-fi movie. And God knows what this stuff is gonna do to you. We already know how bad GMO foods are. Well, this is gonna be another one to add to the add to the list. So people have to become more aware. And if they hear if they hear RFK Jr. saying something that sounds far out, they they ain't heard nothing yet.

SPEAKER_02 43:33

Yeah, so it sounds to me like, you know, we're the reasons we feel like we've never been sicker. Yeah, you mentioned obviously RFK Jr., the work he's doing. Um, and I would imagine you're acknowledging the vaccine work he's done. Uh there's a a a prominent uh attorney that I guess has written some books or produced some documentaries, drawing a blank on his name, but he is uh sort of championing the vaccine uh um really abuse that has taken form and taken shape. And you know, and obviously I'm I'm not trying to get political here and I know how that how political that can get, but the reality of it is this guy is sharing his story about how he's literally deposed all these people and uh what he has gotten out of that these depositions is pretty damning. And so um I think people really do need to take a look at that because a lot of the you know a lot of the touting of vaccines that we have really come to know has been not as uh scientifically validated as we have been led to believe. I think that's problem number one. And then the water supply you brought up how heavy metals impacting the water supply is obviously a big problem. We talked quite a bit about air right the air we breathe and having things like mold that can cause gut dysbiosis and candida overgrowth or that's part of the issue. The quality of food you know obviously and some of the GMO aspects and things of that nature again like we don't have the validated scientific evidence of how those things will not impact the body as they claim that they won't, right? And so one might argue that we've been down this road before and the more they tell us how safe it is, you know, the more we should question is it really safe and what data do we have to back that up one might find that we don't have as much scientific validation as as we would hope. And so these are these are important things. You know it's um I'm not a big conspiracy theorist myself but I think it's important for us to challenge the norm and the status quo and do some digging and well you also have the common sense model we call it part of the common sense model of my patients with Candida when they go to Europe particularly Italy they're able to eat all kinds of foods that if they eat them here in the United States they're they're in bed for a week.

SPEAKER_00 45:56

Now why is that they don't know what GMO foods are in Italy. Yeah because everything there is organic it's all organic all non-GMO and that's just the way it is here you have to search out for those things.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Yeah so well some of the other fun questions that I like to ask is you know um controversies can be fun sometimes because especially when we look at controversies over time usually 20 years in the making we find out well some of those controversies that we thought were so controversial actually are true right and so um I think sort sort of the fun thing is you know when you when you reflect you've been in this industry for 40 years now when you reflect over the 40 years what what are what are you know some of the top controversies that have been in your field that actually came out to be true later on?

SPEAKER_00 46:50

A big one was the issue is the issue with cholesterol which cholesterol is something your liver makes but 80% of any of the cholesterol in your body at any given time is produced by your liver. And the many years ago the word cholesterol was enough to scare the living bejesus out of somebody you just say the word cholesterol in there it's so they've been so brainwashed it's horrifying. Well we now know that most of the illnesses that have been attributed to cholesterol actually occur from consuming seed oils and there there are many books on this one of my favorite books has um these graphs that superimpose over each other and the graphs show that with the introduction of uh cottonseed oil into the food chain it starts to show the incidence and frequency of diabetes and heart disease and the more seed oil was introduced you say it's just perfectly following the graph the American Heart Association it very interesting because when you look at their diet which is you know very low fat and of course and it doesn't always has has not always distinguished between trans fats highly polyunsaturated fats versus monosaturated fats and healthy fats quote quote quote unquote well since they've been around publicizing their diet heart heart disease has gotten worse which is amazing. Now how how could that be? Well it's the wrong diet it's the w they're they're telling you to eat the wrong foods foods that are actually dangerous and perpetuate these things. So but you see the problem with cholesterol is that most of the data on cholesterol goes back to the Framingham study which was done in the 60s Framingham Connecticut they took like half the town and gave them this cholesterol drink to to have and the other half of the town didn't and then they followed them for 15 or 20 years and looked to see who had the bigger problem with heart disease. Well it was only recently they discovered that the cholesterol drink that they gave the people in those studies was synthetic and an elephant couldn't digest it or break it down. So right there it flaws the entire study you see and so right and that's the foundation of what most things are based on dealing with cholesterol is the Framingham study. So if you have a a study like that that's flawed right from the beginning everything after that you can't trust so the moral of the story is saturated fats aren't as bad as people think. In many cases saturated fats are safer than polyunsaturated fats just depends on the more the specifics and you can boil it down to is it organic is it non-GMO and when you're dealing with um with beef and um other types of animals is it grass fed there's an amazing difference between the fatty acid configuration you find in grass-fed beef compared to supermarket beef that's fed mostly corn.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

The fatty acid balance is actually much more like salmon and grass-fed beef which of course is the the pinnacle of health foods now right totally different than your your gr your corn fed beef what do you feel is like the biggest lie you've been told going through your 40 years of experience as a doctor you know what what is sort of the biggest lies that you've been told that um you know you found out that wasn't true in all of your research?

SPEAKER_00 50:27

That's a tough one there's so many um well one of them definitely is the the well call it the cholesterol myth right there I'd have to put that up there but but the the other one though is just in general generally speaking in terms of pharmaceuticals um you know pharmaceuticals don't really cure anything they're symptom based and the side effects that they have cause a chain reaction where it very end this this was an old joke in medical school whether the person went on this medication for this symptom or problem he had and then the side effect that medication caused he had to take another medication to handle that side effect and then that medication has this other side effect so he needed this other medication to handle that side and before you know it it's like a pyramid and then you know it then the fellow's wondering why why his his liver's fatty his kidneys are are are leaking protein and etc so you can't you you you have to look for causes I go back the biggest lie I was probably told was that you couldn't find a cause because you can and the proof of this is if you look at the medical statutes in certain states it is actually illegal to say that you can cure certain diseases. This is how they've how they have it sewn up wow you cannot say that you can cure certain diseases in different states. You have to it's different depending on the state you're in but it's it's generally pretty widespread that you cannot say you can cure any disease because the drug companies don't want you to say that even if you can because if you can number one they'll find out what it is you have and they'll buy the patents and the rights to it number one but they don't want you to say you can cure a disease because the obvious thing because then you're not going to take the pharmaceutical that controls the symptom of that disease.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

Right. Yeah that that's not a great system. No I really appreciate you taking the time to be you know to be here with us.

SPEAKER_00 52:40

I know you're a busy guy so I I do appreciate that can you give a little bit of background on you know your your practice where people can find you learn more about how to work with you etc sure all they have to do is look I have three websites um health-truth.com I have the New York City Candida doctor and the New York City Thyroid doctor any of those three websites they can find me.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

That's awesome well I really appreciate you taking the time to be with us today you know you're you're always a wealth of information great to have on and there's never a dull moment talking about some of the things we get to talk about. So thank you for sharing everything you shared today. And if you're listening please uh check out Dr. Michael Diamante go to his website help dash truth dot com there's a lot of great information and of course you know if you're if you're looking for help uh you can definitely help you