NBS #124: Why Chiropractic Care Is More Powerful Than Most People Realize

What if chiropractic care is about far more than just back pain?

In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino sits down with Bharon Hoag, Executive Director of OneChiropractic, to talk about the real purpose of chiropractic care, the brain-body connection, and why natural and preventative healthcare often face so much resistance.

Bharon explains why he believes people deserve better healthcare choices, how chiropractic fits into a more holistic model of health, and why so many systems are built around managing symptoms instead of creating real wellness.

Timestamps
00:00 Intro: Bharon Hoag joins the show
00:18 Bharon’s background and why he advocates for chiropractic
01:52 What led him into this work in the first place
05:56 What benefits people can get from chiropractic care
11:03 Why chiropractic care is often attacked
20:18 The biggest advocacy wins for OneChiropractic
26:55 Why Bharon believes we’ve never been sicker
33:04 The growing overlap between chiropractic and functional medicine
39:19 Why there are still so many chiropractic skeptics
44:44 The AMA, historical resistance, and how that has changed
52:17 Where people can find Bharon and support OneChiropractic

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Bharon Hoag is the Executive Director of OneChiropractic, the most disruptive advocacy organization in chiropractic today, dedicated to challenging the profession's status quo. With over 25 years of experience, Hoag brings a unique perspective shaped by owning and managing clinics, counseling over 1,000 healthcare facilities. As a former Executive Director of the Ohio State Chiropractic Association, he introduced a hands-on approach to association management, driving a 26% membership increase in his first year and transforming the organization’s influence and revenue. Known for his dynamic speaking style, Bharon bridges divides within the chiropractic profession, uniting practitioners with clarity and purpose. Through OneChiropractic, he champions cultural authority, practitioner rights, and public access to chiropractic care, aiming to make it the world’s leading healthcare choice for people in pain. His passion lies in empowering chiropractors and shaping a thriving future for the profession and helping people understand chiropractic is a viable solution for pain.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

When your brain isn't connected, your body really will do crazy things.

SPEAKER_01 0:03

My name is Michael Rubino. I'm on a personal mission to make sure you don't get sick inside your own home.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

I knew there was something wrong. I'm just so relieved there's something that you can do about it.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Hello and welcome to another episode of Never Been Sicker. I'm your host, indoor air quality expert, Michael Rubino. And today's very special guest, Mr. Baron Hoig. Baron, thank you for taking time out of your busy day to be here with us.

SPEAKER_00 0:29

Appreciate it, Michael. Thanks so much for the opportunity. Looking forward to the conversation.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Of course. So can you give a little bit of a background on you and uh let people know why you're here?

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Yeah, sure. Uh so yeah, I'm out of Columbus, Ohio. Uh, been in Ohio most of my adult life. I am not a chiropractor. I consider myself the profession's biggest groupie that it's ever had. Uh, I got involved 35 years ago and have just kind of navigated my way to the point that I am today, where I do a lot of defense and advocacy work on behalf of chiropractic all over the world. We're in nine different countries. We sue governments, you know, we take on major payers, insurance companies, we take on major uh allopathic medicine, you know, connoisseurs that are trying to eradicate more of a natural, holistic, preventative lifestyle. Um, so we have 50 attorneys on retainer worldwide. Um and yeah, we're we're just kind of full of piss and vinegar, man. We we are on a mission to get out there and let the world know that there are choices. You know, our whole thing is choice. But when information is withheld, when lies are catapulted and misrepresentation is the is the epidemic of today's media, we need to do a better job of getting information out. And you know that better than any of us with the world that you live in and the work that you guys do. And so we're just uh we're just a nonprofit organization that's willing to be the tip of the spear. So uh I'm excited to have that conversation with you today and let people know kind of maybe a little bit more truth than what they've been told otherwise about their healthcare choices and the options they have to get the right choice of healthcare for their families.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Well, first off, I really appreciate that. And it's a very needed and wanted mission. So really thank you so much for the work that you do. I I want to take a step back. You know, why did you get into the work that you're in? What happened that kind of led you down this path?

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Yeah, it's it's really a God thing. Um, you know, I I was I've always been kind of a guy that beat to my own drum. I never really did conform with status quo of anything. I was a musician for a little while and got to college and decided to procreate instead of graduate. And uh, in that effort, I needed to get a career and and and be able to afford the child that was on the way. And I just happened to find chiropractic. I'd never been to a chiropractor. No one I'd ever known had ever been to a chiropractor. Took a job because it was convenient with the hours for me to potentially go back and get my degree and still earn a living uh to be able to provide for my coming child. And um, the more I saw, the more I was confused. I didn't understand it. It was just not at all what I grew up being aware was a was possible. I mean, the the maneuvers that I was seeing happening were things I was an athlete, you know, I played football. So we were, you know, we were doing stuff all the time, cracking our knuckles, doing all of these things. And I never really consciously understood what was happening in those moments. But yet we had patients that were just adamant that getting treated by our doctor saved their life. And that that was a disconnect for me. I could not process it. So I had to ask a lot of questions. And I was 21 at the time, and and just I sent myself to seminars, to technique classes to figure out what was this chiropractic thing, why did these adjusting techniques really produce the results that I was seeing with my own eyes? And the more I learned, the more mad I got that I didn't know that this existed. No one had ever told me about the brain's connection to the body, about how when your brain isn't connected, your body really will do crazy things. And so when you can allow that communication to happen, your body really is self-healing, self-regulating. God did an incredible job designing our bodies, but we have to remove the interferences. And so as I learned that and I started realizing and seeing the people that that were getting the help, and then I started being an advocate and a mouthpiece in our community and really got in with children and helping kids with ADHD and you know, back before, you know, we had all the anxiety diagnoses and all those types of things, we were able to get families back together because they just couldn't understand why their children were having the experiences that they were having. And the more I got into the neurology of chiropractic, the more I'm like, holy cow, like that there's this is such an incredible foundation for health for people. And they're being lied to about where health really comes from. It doesn't come from the bottom of a pill bottle, it comes from your body's ability to actually properly adapt to the stressors, physical, emotional, and chemical stresses that they experience every single day. And so as I got more knowledge, I became louder. As I became louder, I became more of an influencer in our profession. And, you know, I owned clinics, I was a consultant for a number of years. But in 2016, I started my nonprofit, one chiropractic, where we decided there needed to be kind of a Navy SEAL-type team on behalf of our profession to be able to go wherever we were under attack, come in, kick some butt, get out, and go to the next battle. So we created our nonprofit. And it's specifically for that reason, we have researchers, 10 experts, attorneys, lobbyists, PR firms, and we work together to problem solve wherever in the world that someone is making misrepresentations against chiropractic, restricting access for chiropractors to be able to see the general public. And then more importantly, taking advantage of opportunities to grow our profession in areas of the world where maybe it's not currently properly established. So yeah, it's just my daughter's a chiropractor, she's been out for two years. My son's in chiropractic school now. So they really drive me now because I want to create a world that's worthy of them and an environment for them to really exist and make an impact on the world through their knowledge. And uh yeah, so I just I love this profession, man, and I want people to know about it.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

That's that's incredible. I mean, first off, I get adjustments all the time. They're very helpful. I mean, whenever I'm like out of whack, out of alignment, I know I need to get some alignment going. I think it's really I I notice a very big difference. I've heard a lot of people that have migraines and stuff like that also notice a very big difference. Sure, what are some of the benefits that people can have by going and getting chiropractic care? I mean, for for those listening that might not get chiropractic care, obviously what they have to understand this is bigger than just like I get into a car accident, so I go to a chiropractic.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

Yeah, unfortunately, and this is really falls on our profession of doing a very horrible job properly explaining what it is we do. Part of it is just because we never really had the research and the data to properly explain it. We just knew it worked, the results were there. We're 130, uh, 31 years old as a profession, so we're fairly young in the big scheme of healthcare as a whole. So we're just now getting into having the structure and the resources to do proper research to be able to validate what we're doing. But most people think of us as back doctors. They think of us as people that work on headaches, low back pain, you know, migraines, you know, referring pain down the lake, sciatica, that type of stuff. And they think of it as far more structural. But when you understand really what's happening with the adjustment, we're more neurology based than we are structurally based as a profession. Because the adjustment has less to do with why your shoulders are rounded forward or why you have one hip higher than the other. Those are actually neurological responses. It's your brain's understanding of how to occupy its body in space. People need to understand the brain is the most selfish organ in your body, it will protect itself over anything else. Take something like gangrene. Gangrene is a neurological really result of the brain saying, okay, that area is dead. We're going to cut everything off to it. We're not going to send any more information because we don't want it to grow and get any closer to us. And so when you understand how to kind of biohack the brain and get the brain to work at its optimal level, you can really start seeing amazing results, whatever the symptomatology may be, whether it's physical, like headaches, back pain, things of that nature, or whether it's even more mental or uh chemical from a standpoint of anxiety, depression, Alzheimer's, you know, dementia, these types of things are things that we're seeing from people that get adjusted on a semi-regular basis. We're having amazing results. Our clinic, I have a clinic currently in Columbus, Ohio. We deal with those types of kids all the time: nonverbal, autistic with major anxiety, ADHD, and we're getting them off their meds. We're getting them communicating and functioning more holistically within the family unit just because we're we're really stimulating the information to the brain, letting the brain do what it was designed to do. The best analogy I can give you is you look at a professional athlete, a professional athlete will train and condition, let's use a track star for, you know, approximately anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute and a half of performance in their event. But they're training and training and training and training. The training is actually to prepare their body for the amount of force and stress that it's going to be under during that moment of competition. And everyone understands that, right? We stretch before we run because we don't want to pull a hamstring, right? We're preparing the body for the stress of the run. Well, we want to do the same thing for the brain. And the best way to prepare your brain for the stress of your life, again, there's physical stress, emotional stress, chemical stress. We want to give good input to the brain so that it can better adapt and manage those types of stresses. So though we find that patients that are getting adjusted fairly regularly, they're noticing that their body's not breaking down due to the different various levels of stress. They're not experiencing the gastrointestinal issues that they once were. They're having clearer thought, they're they're sleeping better, they're having more restful sleep. These are all things where the brain is ready to go. It's it knows when to get into what we call parasympathetic, which is your recovering, your healing state, and getting out of sympathetic, which is your fight or flight. And that's what the adjustment does. So no matter what your symptomatology may be, which your body will self-heal and self-regulate through that, once the brain is properly equipped to do what it does. But the long-term effects of continued adjustments, you know, I don't, I don't have a single fear. I've been adjusted at least once a week for 24, 25 years. I do not fear about any neurodegenerative condition. I don't fear dementia. I don't fear Alzheimer's because my brain is properly nutriated from information regularly. So I just don't have those issues. I haven't had a pharmaceutical product in my body, including an aspirin, in 24 years because my body is just so self-regular. I have moments where I can get sick or I may hurt, but my body regulates through that more than anything. So that's really where we're trying to get people to understand why get adjusted, because you want your brain to properly adapt to the things that it's dealing with every single day. And that's where the miracle of health truly comes from.

SPEAKER_01 10:51

That's really incredible. And um obviously there's a lot of benefits in chiropractic care. And I think that, you know, it's really worth discovering that uh for those who really have just might just be hearing about this for the first time, as you once did, you know, all those years ago. You know, I'm I'm curious, you mentioned the word attacks. Um, it's it's no surprise to me. Typically, good things, especially while they're new, they get attacked, uh, right, because it it threatens the status quo. And so I'd love to talk a little bit about that. You know, what are some of the attacks that you're typically helping the fund defend or fight? And um, you know, and where do you think these attacks come from?

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Well, we'll start with where they're coming from first. I think people need to be realistic and understand there is an insane amount of money in sick people. Keeping people dependent on a delivery system is guaranteed revenue for the delivery system. I'm not saying that the doctor you see is bad. As a matter of fact, they're very good. Most medical personnel are amazing humans. They got into the field to help people, but the training that they received was created by those that actually produce the resources. So, for example, why is it that the average MD or DO, will you go and almost guaranteed to get some prescription no matter what you're dealing with, even when they don't know what's going on, they're gonna do an anti-inflammatory, they're gonna do some type of pain med, they're gonna do maybe an antibiotic, you know, some type, you're almost guaranteed to leave some uh ER, urgent care, anything like that with some type of prescription. I'm not saying those people are bad, but has anyone ever just stopped and thought about why is our first response always to introduce some type of pharmacological? Well, it's because that's all of the medical schools that exist are funded by the pharmaceutical companies. Like, I mean, you can go as far back as the Rockefellers, understanding that's they founded the very first medical school, and they're the ones that fund all of the research that create the protocols that are associated with whatever diagnosis you get. So it's not the fault of the actual MD. Like they're they're just a product of the schooling that they received. Just like back in the Civil War days, those that were in the South, they're just a product of their how they were raised. That was the culture that they were in to have slavery. Any common normal person would think that's insane unless that's just what you were raised generationally to believe. So we we can't fault the actual practitioners in most cases. It is the system in the allopathic world that has been controlled by the economic driver of healthcare. And so when we look at opportunities for health like chiropractic or acupuncture or um, you know, any other kind of physiotherapy that's going to look at more long-term preventative type care, that's a direct threat to the machine that is allopathic, right? That is surgery, is drugs, that's going to literally keep that individual as part of the healthcare delivery system for the rest of their life. Look at high blood pressure and cholesterol. It's unbelievable how long people are on those meds. And that's the prescription is to stay on them for the rest of your life because it keeps your markers where they say it's healthy. Well, what are the long-term effects of being on a statin drug for the rest of your life? 20, 30, 40 years. We're now starting to feel the effects of that because 20, 30 years ago is when all these drugs were created and these protocols were done. And we have people that are all of a sudden developing these gastrointestinal issues that no one knows where they come from. Look what happened with opioids. That got out of control. And now we have opioid-induced constipation. We have opioid-induced addictions. So it's just that model was designed to perpetuate the revenue associated to keeping people healthy. The second thing that really drove that model was the immediate need for people to have instant gratification. Listen, if you've ever been in chronic pain, I get it. I have zero judgment for you. I would probably climb Niagara Falls to get an opioid if I had severe chronic pain. It is debilitating. You'll do almost anything you can to just have a portion of normal life. I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the people that get 60 opioid pills for a root canal, right? That like it just that's the part of the system that is broken. But what it did is it conditioned an entire generation to want immediate results. So then again, you look at professions like acupuncture or chiropractic or nutrition, where you have to be disciplined. You're going to have to get it a little bit more often. And people don't want to do that. They, if they're in pain, they want to be out of pain right now. They'd rather go to the ER, get a drug, and get back to work, or get back to coaching, or get back to golfing, or whatever is the primary activity in their life. So the attacks that come against our profession are because when we start empowering people with truth and they start realizing the long-term effects of being dependent on the allopathic system is going to result in a very, very painful and agonizing, you know, geriatric period of their life, then that takes away that entire money-making system. And so that's why we get attacked. So for example, some of the things we fight right now in Australia, um, we had their medical system basically said it's illegal for chiropractors to see children to and under. There has not been one case of a child getting hurt. There's not been one complaint from a parent about care done to a child. They started realizing that we started having an impact on birth rates and the morbidity, morbidity, excuse me, of birthing, which, like in the US, is horrible. The it's just absolutely, if you look at this, the data, the, the, the morbidity of childhood delivery in the U.S. is the bottom of the barrel. It's it's just embarrassing. When you start getting things like chiropractic and acupuncture or proper physical therapy done to a pregnant woman, and they're doing births more naturally than they are using the allopathic model, we have healthier births, we have less dependency on the system. But again, that breaks the system. That that hurts the OBG satisfaction and all those things. And so we all of a sudden say, nope, that isn't safe. There's no research to support it. We're just going to say it can't happen. So our team comes in, says, no, you don't get to do that. Here's all the evidence we have to show the effectiveness and the efficacy of treating for newborns. What do you have to combat that? But they do those things all the time just to try to create a false premise in the general public that something's unsafe because there's not peer-reviewed evidence. And that's what we're seeing here in the US with what's happening with Robert Kennedy in HHS in the FDA, right? He's now going and saying, wait a minute, we're going to flip the food pyramid because that was bought and paid for. Doing grains as your primary base of health was horrible from the beginning. That was flipped by the cereal companies. And then all of a sudden now we're looking at the vaccine schedules. And why are some of these things still on there? Because that was controlled by the pharmaceutical companies. And so you're starting to see, with whatever your political perspective is, we are starting to see that we're flipping the spectrum of the perception of where health comes from. And it's coming much closer to true health and whole foods, making sure we're doing natural things to feed the body appropriately so that it can better manage those stress. So we're getting those types of fights. Sometimes it comes from other specialties, sometimes it comes from insurance companies, sometimes it comes from governments. But you know, anytime they start putting us in a corner or implying in any way that chiropractic is unsafe or unhealthy, that's where we jump into effect. And I'll say one more thing and then I'll get off my soapbox. But this is always a concern for people that have never been to a chiropractor. They're always concerned about having their neck adjusted. They're like, you can do everything else, just don't adjust my neck. I don't want you to break my neck. Um, if you just look at malpractice insurance, which every healthcare provider in the United States is required to have in order to be licensed, your family practice MD, you know, they're gonna spend anywhere from 30,000 to 100,000 a year in malpractice, depending on their specialty, if they do surgeries, how much pharmaceutical intervention they they put out in their in their practice. But that dollar amount is all a mathematical equation of risk. We're assuming if we're you're paying 30 grand a year, we're assuming we're gonna spend right up to$30,000 a year on claims against you because of the medical decision making you do in your practice. So it's all math. So that we know right away if someone's paying$100,000 in malpractice insurance a year, they're expecting$90,000 worth of claims against them. Chiropractors across the entire country spend anyway from$1,200 to$2,500 a year. Wow. We we just don't have claims, like they just don't exist because we don't hurt people. So like even the business side of it, the math of it shows that there's really no danger going to a chiropractor. It does not happen. Or our malpractice would be just as high as these other PT's malpractice is higher than a chiropractor's because of the types of cases they deal with post-surgical and things of that nature. We just don't have those issues. So it's probably one of the safest forms of primary care you could go to is a chiropractor, just to look at the overall function of your body and understanding really what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

That's so interesting, you know, to to really thank you for because I'm getting an education here right now myself. So really thank you for you know for going over this with us. I think it's really helpful. You know, there's so much that I didn't know. Um, just through what you're dealing with. What are some of the biggest victories you've had so far in uh taking a stand for chiropractic care?

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Yeah, so really we got a really big, you know, boost in our contributor base and and kind of got on the map during COVID. Um, if you recall in 2021 when the vaccine came out, they started mandating that people had nurses had to have vaccines, uh, healthcare providers, anyone that was considered essential. If they were going to continue to practice during those days, they had to be vaccinated. Well, chiropractic, again, we're we're we're an outside in, not inside, or excuse me, inside out, not outside in. We don't believe health comes from anything outside. And so we vaccines are just definitely not something that we're a huge fan of, um, at least not unless there's a real reason. If I'm gonna go to some rare part of Africa, I'm probably gonna get vaccinated to whatever disease is gonna be in that area because that's just not something I'm in my normal environment. But I'm not gonna get a flu vaccine because my body is stronger, getting it, fighting it, creating the natural antibodies to be, and you know that from the world you live in, right? Yeah, of course. So, you know, when that thing happened, our whole thing was choice. The government should never force somebody to inject themselves with something, especially something that they admitted has not had the research and all the testing to ensure that it didn't have, you know, any negative side effects. Um, obviously, we all know our history and how they came out so huge saying no, there's no danger, it will stop spread, it will stop, and we found out that that's not true. Now we've found out that there's major issues with myocarditis and other types of heart-related issues, clotting, things of that nature. But during that time, my organization, specifically for chiropractic and a lot of other uh healthcare specialties that had just a small percentage of their uh specialty wanting to be able to practice without being vaccinated, we were the ones that kept them from being vaccinated. So we had, you know, there were nine states in the United States that were mandating that the chiropractors and private businesses required to have vaccines. Nurses were probably the Hardest hit. They were losing their jobs. We've all seen those data. And you know, they've since won and got all the back pay. And, you know, there was a lot of issues and legal labor laws that were violated during that whole time. But that was probably our biggest thing in Australia. Specifically, Australia was hit hardest with the lockdowns and the draconian type of government oversight. We helped over a thousand chiropractors. Literally, our attorneys were cutting chains off the doors of our doctor's offices, opening them up so that they could see their patients not being vaccinated. So we, you know, we were fighting governments. We filed a lawsuit against Rhode Island because they were not recognizing informed consent, uh, or excuse me, religious exemption. And uh, you know, so there, those are the types of things that that we're very proud of. We kept a lot of healthcare providers in business during those days when no one really knew where head and tails were. Uh, since then, we've done a lot of fighting. Again, we're over-regulation. We do a lot in Canada. Canada is a very interesting country in that their regulatory process is is very unchecked because they're very English-oriented. And so they people don't question the Queen. You know, that's just not whatever happened in Britain. And so the countries that were developed by Britain, they tend to have that same mentality. So you go up there and you have these regulatory bodies that are scaring the living bejesus out of these healthcare professionals, and they don't, you know, the professionals don't know what to do. So us going up there and saying, wait a minute, that's not okay. Let's stand up against them. You know, we'll bring our American arrogance up there and say, no, you don't get to do that to us. And uh, so we've been very good. We just overturned a ridiculous policy in British Columbia actually just two weeks ago. Uh it was a four and a half year battle, but we were successful to get that overturned, which restricted chiropractors from being able to do x-rays, which they've been able to do for a hundred years, and they just all of a sudden just said, no, we don't think you should do it. And so we were able to show the evidence as to why that was appropriate and necessary. So those are the types of things that we're also working really hard in the United States. This might surprise you, but animal chiropractic is a very, very big thing. Uh, my daughter actually treats dogs and horses as well as humans. Um, and there's a lot of confusion across the United States about the rights between vets and chiropractors and should they be able to do that. So our organization is really taking that initiative on to bring clarity both to the veterinarians and to the chiropractic community to ensure that it's done properly, that there isn't any overreach of scope, but yet we're providing the options for the animal owner to get the care they want. We're starting to see a natural form of health care really moving into the animal population because of all the issues with, you know, your typical kibble. All, you know, we have dogs that are put down that, you know, if they were able to get adjusted, they wouldn't have to be put down. Horses that are are put down because, you know, the allopathic mindset of the torp typical vet education just doesn't think beyond the symptomatology. And so when you start looking at the neurology of things, there's there's hope for these animals. And so we we take that on. So we're helping a number of providers across the United States and animal owners be able to have access to the type of care they want for their animals. And so, yeah, those are the types of things that that we deal with every day. Some insurance issues, um, there's a lot of bias with insurance reimbursement to again perpetuate the certain type of health care that funds these the GDP. And so there's a lot of restrictions associated to providers and patients getting access to more holistic care. We fight a lot of those fights as well, forcing insurance companies to give their beneficiaries the benefits that their policy really holds without all of the hurdles that they have to jump through. So though those are kind of the things that we jump on.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

Yeah, it's so interesting. Yeah, thank you for all you do. I really appreciate all the fights you're fighting, you know, to really uh like you said in the very beginning, choice, right? And we need to be able to have choices. And uh, if we want to get alternative care, that should be our choice. Um, I'm curious because obviously uh chiropractic care specifically has a specific philosophy, as you shared earlier. Um, you know, this podcast is called Never Been Sicker. And unfortunately, we've all seen the growing statistics of how unwell we are societally. And I'm curious what what's your perspective on that? What what what's the cause of us never being as sick as we are today?

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Yeah, we see the same thing. Like again, I'm celebrating 35 years in chiropractic. And even 35 years ago, we could get an average patient coming in and we could see drastic improvement in their overall body function within one to two visits. Today, it takes about two to three weeks before the body responds because of what you just said. We are sick. Our bodies are broken, and there's a lot of reasons for that. Food, I'm gonna argue, is probably one of the largest reasons that we are just sicker. Our, you know, overpasteurized foods, our processed foods have become so affordable, so convenient. And I'm just as guilty. I mean, I was just driving from DC, and it was so much easier to stop at a gas station and grab a sub sandwich than it was to get a salad. You know, it was just I'm driving, I don't really want to deal with it. You know, it's just convenience of these processed foods to be able to, you know, give us that feeling of satiation so that we, you know, we we're not hungry. And rather than looking at food as fuel and I me being intelligent enough to pack beef sticks and some cheese sticks and some veggie sticks to have in my car that I could just munch on as I'm going through the day, which is much healthier for my body. So it's just become convenient to eat like crap. I mean, it's just it's affordable and convenient. Um, the second thing is again the medications. I mean, you you look, I just read something the other day that 65 and old and older, which is our Medicare population, um, 80% of them are on two or more types of medications that are for chronic healthcare conditions, which means every single time, every single day, multiple times a day, they're popping some type of chemical into their body that their body was not ever created to process. People need to understand that. When you take a foreign substance, you take a foreign chemical, something that is not organic in nature, and you put it in your body, your body cannot process it completely, which means there's a portion of it that is gonna somehow get stuck in the body, that the body is going to reject, that the body's gonna have some type of reaction to, which is where we get all these funny side effects that you hear in the commercials, no matter what the advertisement is, there's always the last 30 seconds of the commercial telling you all the possible things that could go wrong with you taking that medication. And so that just is toxicity in the body, and your muscles store that. If you if you are obese at any level, your fat tissue stores all of that toxicity, and all of that is going to be a factor. And then obviously, we get to your wheel world, Michael, in the air we breathe. I mean, we have so much junk in our air system because of the fossil fuels, because of, you know, the Wi-Fi networks and all that, all that stuff is affecting how our bodies react. And so our desire to have fast-paced, quick information that we can have, you know, a whole encyclopedia in our phone, you know, and but the technology that we're absorbing, all of that radiation, all of that 5G, all these things are real. I mean, I'm not a conspiracy theory guy. I'm not saying someone's destined to put us all into zombie hood, but they are real and they have effects on our body. So we're sicker because of our desire to have convenience, whether it's food, whether it's clothing, whether it's a technology. And we're not doing enough to combat it. And you know this as well as I do. But even if you got an RF mat, just put it on your mattress and ground it and lay on a grounding mat when you go. I mean, there are little things we can do to try to offset some of the toxicity that we're absorbing into our bodies, drinking more appropriate filtered water, breathing filtered air, making sure we have supplements that are truly whole food substance that helps our body that we process every ounce of what we're putting in our body to combat. So we're sick because we're lazy and we are looking for convenience and instant gratification. And I'm right there with everybody. I'm not pointing a finger. I'm just saying that's why we're experiencing what we're experiencing. And until we enlighten ourselves and we start finding little hacks that we can do to here's another little hack that I just learned two years ago that's been amazing. I I do, I got some melaleuka honey from New Zealand, and I do one spoonful of that before I go to bed. And what that's done to nutrient my brain, I mean, it's a very easy thing. Everyone loves honey. It's just a little spoonful of honey, but it's a biohack to your brain to help it relax. It gives high, um, it's giving it good sugar, the right kind of sugar for it to have to process and feed while I'm resting. And I wake up and I don't have that groggy feeling of, ugh, I don't want to get out of bed. I'm pretty much regular rock and roll. I get a good eight, nine hours of sleep and I'm ready to go. But that's just a little biohack to offset the stress of my day. As you can imagine, I'm reading court filings, I'm arguing and debating, doing all, you know, I have a pretty tense job. There's always crisis that I'm trying to figure out and solve, but I sleep great and I get adjusted regularly. I supplement regularly. I drink a bunch of good filtered water. I have great purification in my house. And uh, you know, and I and I do the little biohacks that I can to keep myself functioning. I'm a bigger guy, always have been, but you know, all my markers are exactly where they're supposed to be because of all the other things that I do to ensure that I want to make it into my 90s. One of my phrases is I want everyone swing dancing in their 90s. I I think I want you having fun. I want you living your best life. That's when you should have the most money, that's when you should have the most time. Go live your life because you're healthy enough to do it. And we can do little things right now, we can make little investments right now that can really set us up to have that reality when we get to that age, as long as we're willing to get out from underneath the lies that we're being told in the allopathic mindset.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

I love what you said there. I think it's uh you know, it's really important. Obviously, there's a lot of external stressors, and uh, you know, we got to obviously control the controllables. And um, you know, this this sounds very simple, right? To just start to take control over your life and uh, you know, stop becoming dependent on a pill. I mean, you don't get a headache because you have a Tylenol deficiency, right? That's one of the most powerful things that anybody can really come to realize. Um, with regards to chiropractic care, I've been seeing so much in that field recently, um, you know, people practicing uh as chiropractors, also more functional medicine, uh doing some more lab testing, um, really helping people choose supplementation, um, you know, things that you would think that are normally outside of just getting an adjustment. Uh, have you seen that shift as well?

SPEAKER_00 32:25

And yeah, yeah. I mean, and I love it. I like I love it. This is another thing most people don't understand. They think there are billions of chiropractors because everyone's like, there's one on every corner. There's only 90,000 chiropractors in the United States. I have more than that in MDs just in Columbus, Ohio. Like we are a very small profession. The difference is 90% of chiropractors are single specialty, single, you know, single facility. They're their business owners. So it seems like, you know, they're everywhere because they all work for themselves for the most part. We don't have medical groups that we can go and join. We're not accepted into insurance companies as medical directors. We're not in large employers as medical directors, right? People just that they don't understand chiropractic enough to do that. So they're all just pretty much single specialty, single practice uh business owners. Where we're starting, where people really don't understand, is the education that a chiropractor gets. They think that it's somehow a subset that's, you know, couldn't cut it in medical school, so they became a chiropractor. Well, believe it or not, the education is almost parallel. Chiropractors actually get 600 more classroom hours than MDs do. The difference is when MDs are doing pharmaceutical and chemistry and surgical education, we're doing kinesiology, we're doing uh diagnosing, we're doing physiology. And what I mean by kinesiology and physiology, it means the correlation of the body systems. Like it's so important to understand that if I have a headache, that headache could be coming from the pronation of my foot. Like that's pathology, right? That's kinesiology. Looking at how the pelvis and the foot actually affects all the way up into the cervical spine. If my pelvis is out of alignment and my body is contorted, it's gonna cause my head to shift just for a balance purpose. And so if my head's shifting, it's gonna take a little bit of pressure on that brain stem. And if that brain stem has pressure, it's probably gonna cause, you know, some spasming of the muscles in the skull, therefore giving me the illusion of a headache. Well, holy cow, I get your pelvis aligned, you're you start lining up straight, your head can go back to neutral and your headache's gone, right? But the allopathic mindset's gonna be like, ooh, headache, let's do a CT, let's do an MRI, make sure there's not a tumor. So all these expensive diagnostic protocols, and then we're gonna give you some meds to kind of get rid of that sharp pain. Well, the pain is a fire alarm. If, you know, where the where the fire alarm's going off doesn't necessarily mean that's where the fire is, right? That just means where the smoke traveled to let you know there's a fire. So chiropractors, really education. And I mean this not just because I'm I love the profession. I mean it because I live it with my own family. I would have a chiropractor as my PCP before I would have any other specialty, not because I think they can treat everything, but they're gonna do a much more thorough exam to evaluate what could be causing it and getting me to the right form of health care to deal with it. The amount of cancer findings that chiropractors find is unbelievable because of their core education and their ability to read x-rays. The way that we can look at things like heart issues and lung issues, and they have all of that training. They are really their primary care physicians, but nobody knows it. So, to your question of functional medicine, when chiropractors get into practice and they realize, wow, I now am understanding where some of these deficits are coming from, where the nutrient deficiencies are coming from. And I've been referring people to the allopathic world, but all they do is make it worse by adding more drugs or wanting to do surgeries. They've eventually said, Well, we're we know enough. We're gonna go and get a little bit more training where we can read the blood tests because I keep referring them to natural paths or I refer them and they still get sucked back into that allopathic model and they're not really getting the help they need. So chiropractors are like, this is a passion of mine. I love helping these difficult cases where no one knows what's going on. So I'm gonna get in the functional space and I'm gonna figure out how to use food, how to use fluid, how to use environments to heal. And then you do that for some of these patients that have been chronic patients for their whole life, and they're so thankful. And you have such a rewarding practice having the time to sit and spend with them to figure out what's going on. So, yeah, we definitely have those chiropractors that really love the science side of healthcare getting into the functional stuff because it's almost like CSI. You know, you're you're almost like doing a crime scene investigation, you're looking at things. Let's test this, let's see what this is doing, let's see if you have any allergies to certain things that nobody else looks at, because there's got to be something in the processing of what you're going through that's creating some of these chronic neurological issues. And that we're gonna adjust you to make sure your brain is properly done, and then we're gonna look at some other stimulants to figure out what's really going on. So I love it. I'm a huge fan of it because it's coming from that core mindset that the body is self-healing, self-regulating. If we give it the right information, remove interferences, give it the right nutrients that it's supposed to have. And God was brilliant in what he created. And and chronic disease has only happened in the last 20 to 30 years to the degree that it is. And that's when you see the uptake of pharmaceutical products. That's where you see the uptake in surgical procedures. I mean, look at the cosmetic world. You wonder why people are so sick. Do you know how much that we're injecting our bodies with things, you know, I don't know, what is that crap they girls put in there to uh Botox? We still don't know really how the body processes Botox, but that industry is massive over the last 20 years, right? Augmentations for for cosmetic purposes, our bodies are just being riddled with things. And so when you start looking at how that stuff's stacking up, that's why we're sick. It's it's again, it's it's it's convenience, it's selfishness, it's laziness, and it's time that we educate ourselves and we protect our youth so that we finally have a generation, once again, that might live longer than our generation because it's not looking great right now.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Yeah, you're right. Now you've done a great job uh really making the case for chiropractic care today. I appreciate all of your insight. Um, you know, you've mentioned some naysaying. Why why do you think there are naysayers in general? Um, you know, and I'm not talking about like the governments and all these other things, just like just from the general population of consensus, is it because chiropractic care is so new, because they don't understand it, they haven't uh, you know, looked into the training, et cetera. What do you think is some of that sentiment?

SPEAKER_00 38:33

I think a large part it is lack of understanding. We fear things we don't understand. We're all that way. Like we go anywhere, and if we don't understand the culture, if we go to a different country and we don't understand what's going on, we automatically assume the worst. So for those that have not been introduced to it, there, you know, there's just no way that's true. Like that, you know, I use this analogy all the time. It was one of the first things that caught me by surprise and got me really digging deeper. This was back in the mid-90s. We had a couple that were coming in, and the wife had had some pain and pelvic type pain. They were trying to have a baby, and they were trying in vitro, but one of their friends said, Hey, go to my chiropractor, you know, they can really help with your pelvis and all that kind of stuff. We started adjusting them. She got four adjustments, and all of a sudden she came in and she was like, I'm pregnant. Why? Like, what's what did you do? Like, I've been trying forever, and all of a sudden, as soon as I started coming here, now I'm pregnant. And people have a hard time accepting that there's a correlation between the adjustment and pregnancy. But when you look kinesiologic from a kinesiology standpoint, aligning her pelvis and her mid-thoracics and how the nerve roots from them go to the sexual organs. And if there's misinformation from the brain to those organs, those organs are gonna kind of freak out. What happens to a snake when you cut the head off? The body flat, right? The muscles don't know what to do, so they spasm until they ultimately die. So if we disconnect the brain, there's never been a successful brain transplant. I don't think there ever will be. Why is it so dangerous to break your neck? Because your body will die because it doesn't have the information from the brain. Your brain is everything. So if we have impingements and we have restrictions from the brain to the organs of the body, the organs of our body are not going to work properly. And so if we have a woman that's all just bound up down there, there's no motion in her spine, there's a lack of information flowing from the brain through her mid-back into those organs that are really primary to help with um you know getting pregnant. And then we open that up and we get the information back and the body does a reset. Well, of course, now they're gonna be able to probably have more success doing that. So people don't believe that. Like there's just no way that an adjustment fixed an issue that all of medicine couldn't fix to get her pregnant. And so that skepticism is one reason that I think we get a lot of hatred. Number two, we got some wackos in chiropractic. I'm not gonna lie, we we got some guys that are out there claiming that one adjustment will cure cancer, and that's just not okay. And so that gets amplified, obviously, through the media outlets. And so chiropractors are looked at as quacks, and there's just no, you know, those kooky guys. Every profession has crazies, but ours tend to get a little bit more attention. Uh, and I wish that I could mute them myself. So I think that's an issue. Um, and I also think because we've had to fight so hard to be relevant in the healthcare delivery system as a profession, we have guys that have gotten into some bad business practices. They're good guys, but just to survive, they've started maybe over-treating or they've started selling a bunch of stuff and doing these huge care plans. So patients come in and all of a sudden they're hit with a$9,000 bill to get care for the next two years. And so that seems very car salesy. You know, people are like, uh, that's that doesn't seem right. Like, why do I and my whole family have to come in for a year? And so, because of all of those business practices, people get kind of a yucky taste in their mouth because it just doesn't feel right. And most chiropractors don't do a great job of really explaining why they're recommending what they're recommending. So I think those are the reasons we get some haters. And then obviously, other healthcare specialties don't like that, you know, they give an opinion, we give a counter opinion, and then patients will typically choose what we recommend because there's less long-term effects in what we're offering than what they're getting somewhere else. So there's a little bit of professional angst there as well. But uh, but yeah, chiropractic, the the medical establishment tried to shut chiropractic down in the 50s and 60s. I mean, it's a it's a case, you could look it up. It's called the Wilkes case, the AMA versus Dr. Wilkes. And it was proven that they did antitrust in trying to shut down a profession. First time the AMA has ever lost a lawsuit in the history of their organization. Um, and it proved that they were spreading a lot of misinformation, telling MDs bad things. And so there's a lot of that kind of biased and and you know, civil rights type issues from those decades. But those people are starting to die off and retire. So we have less of that today than we did. But I just hope chiropractors just get back to the truth. They just speak the truth, keep loving and serving their patients, giving the people options. All we should do is give them information and let them make the choice. That that's really what healthcare should be. Here's the information we have. You process it, you let us know what you want us to do with it. But we're here to partner with you to give you the best quality of health that you can have. And uh, I think if we get back to that, the value will be there. People are willing to pay for it, and uh, and the results will speak for themselves.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

Yeah, oh that makes good sense. And of course, yes, uh, there's crazies in every profession. It happens. You know, unfortunately, we cannot uh keep all the crazies out of every profession. I I um I was actually going to ask about the AMA, so I'm glad you brought that up. Um, you know, how is the what's the AMA? Uh I guess how uh how much friction is there with the AMA these days as compared to back in the 50s?

SPEAKER_00 43:45

Oh, it's so much better today. Uh again, I was alluding to that lawsuit. I didn't want to waste a lot of time on it, but if you brought it back up, I'll give you a little bit more context. So, one of the things that was proven in that court case was that the AMA had put into the code of ethics for MDs that if they referred to or worked with a chiropractor, they could lose their license. So you had an entire generation of medical doctors believing that working with a chiropractor endangered their license and the lives of their patients. And so that obviously was not factual. It was very, you know, controlled and intentional to put in there. And so when that was removed, then all of a sudden we had, you know, a bunch of people that were more open-minded to forms of healthcare. And so nowadays, because you know, we're 25, 30 years away from that, those people have retired or or passed away. You have a generation of people that got adjusted as kids. And so they loved chiropractic. They may not understand it to the degree that we've been talking about today, but they are definitely not against it. And they've had an adjustment and they think, yeah, man, if you want to try it, go for it. So our chiropractors today have, and most communities have incredible, incredible relationships with other healthcare delivery uh models in the community, primarily because the allopathic model is self-destructing right in front of all of our eyes. I mean, it started with opioids. That that was proven that the doctors were recommending it primarily because of compensation, not because it was really what was best for the patient. We had the pill mills and people started understanding that wait a minute, maybe they always don't have our best, you know, choice in mind. Then the second thing that hit was the COVID vaccine. Like everyone swore up and down that that thing was safe and then come to find out it wasn't. So people are questioning things more. And it also MDs are questioning things more, right? Because MDs were lied to just like the general public was by all of this stuff. I mean, you had Fauci up there swearing up and down that this thing was safe and that it would stop the spread and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So people had, you know, they're going to believe the CDC. And, but then they realized that that was all bought and paid for. That wasn't true. And now they're like, well, wait a minute, what else may not be true? And so you have kind of this abandonment within the allopathic world in and of itself from providers starting to go to more concierge type care, getting out of the insurance world because it's all built on diagnosis and quick protocols and things of that nature. And so for chiropractic, it's really been amazing because everybody's more open to the idea of preventative health. And we, you know, we don't want to do what medical doctors do. We need medical doctors. Pharmaceutical products are necessary for specific things. And we don't want to prescribe them in our profession. So we want to work hand in hand with somebody that has the ability to do that when that's required for a unique case. So I'm not anti-drug. I'm anti-drug for health. We can't manage health with drugs. That's the problem that we got into in the 80s and 90s and 2000s. We you you will never produce health by adding a drug ever. You may manage symptoms, but you're never producing health. And so what we want to do now, and what we're starting to see, the curve that's happening throughout other healthcare specialties, is okay, how do we get to health? How do we start having more of a preventative mindset? And again, I don't know people's political views, and I know that Trump is very divisive, but we do have an administration right now that is very open to overhauling the healthcare model for preventative. Like I said, I just got back from Washington, D.C. last night from meeting with the Make America Healthy Again group. And we sat for two days and just talked about really what's available out there. How do we create policy that enables our Americans to choose health rather than managing sickness and what needs to happen from an administrative level to open that up to payers, to Americans, to the military, to our sports teams, you know, all of these different environments, and how do those things cross over and impact? Because it's a it's a Herculean lift. We've got 50 years of an allopathic model being built. That's not going to get overturned overnight. But I love the discussions that are happening now. I do think there's more concurrent care happening, meaning providers from different specialties talking, managing, making sure that there's no redundancy or unnecessary forms of care being delivered to the patient. And yeah, so it's a much better environment now. Chiropractors, because we have more research coming out, showing the validity of the adjustment, making it impossible for people to say the adjustment does not, you know, affect the brain. Like we, there's one that just came out a couple months ago that proved that the adjustment stimulates the prefrontal cortex. And when you stimulate the prefrontal cortex, that basically resets the brain and it creates new neuroplasticity. When I grew up, we were told that brain cells died and never regenerated. You know, my mom was always like, don't do that. You're killing brain cells, and you only have so many of them. And that was literally widely held as truth back in the 80s and 90s. Well, now we know that's not true. There is neuroplasticity. There are things you can do to wake the brain up, to create new pathways, new neurotransmissions. We can actually alter effects of Alzheimer's and MS if we get to it fast enough. And so now we have data and peer-reviewed research proving that the chiropractic adjustment stimulates that neuroplasticity better than anything else on the planet. And now people are like, well, wait, maybe we should get them adjusted before we try these things. And so that collaboration is starting to happen more than it ever has in my 35 years. And that's another reason why I fight so hard. I want that for America. I want that for the world, where it's no longer about turf, it's no longer about economics. It's literally about taking all of the knowledge and technology we have and producing the healthiest people we can so that we can be better citizens and we can create a better world. You know, happy, healthy people will produce a happy, healthy reality. Sick, angry, frustrated, and broke people will create chaos. And we know that. We see that in certain sections of our towns, right? The affluent areas, you don't have crime. Right? When they have money and they have excess and like if we can create a world of people that are that way from a health perspective, man, imagine what we could do rather than people that are just incessantly in pain or unhealthy. And that's why you do what you do. That's why you guys are so adamant with the products and services you provide. That's why I do what I do to create, you know, those opportunities to have access to that. And uh, if you know, I just truly choose to believe that God's gonna open that pathway and the pendulum's swinging and we're getting to health instead of management of sickness. And as long as people like you and I keep doing what we do, then the world's gonna ultimately create that reality for us.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

Yeah, no, I do. I I think we need to put the power back in people's hands, you know. I think that's what it comes down to. And uh, you know, when you're sick and tired and you're sick of being, you know, sick of being tired and sick of being sick, um, you know, it's it's not a pretty place to be. And of course, you know, making sure that we have the power to reverse that, I think is really important. So I I really appreciate the time we spent together today. Can you tell people where where they can find you, where they can follow along, your work, your organization, how do they get involved, donate, you know, uh support, etc.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

Yeah, man, uh it's really easy. Go to www.1on e chiropractic.org.practic.org that tells you about our initiatives, our different projects we have going on. Um, there's an opportunity there if you do want to contribute. We are fully funded by contributors. Um, so you can see that information there as well. And and you can follow us on all social channels at onechiropractic, all one word. And uh you can see the stuff we're doing. I'm horrible with social media, but my team does a really good job of uh keeping that stuff up. But yeah, we just want people knowing. Uh knowledge is power, and people that that remain ignorant are dangerous to themselves and others. So just listen, get the information so you can make informed decisions and know that we are enough. Like America was built because people said we're enough. And I think we've lost that. I think we've gotten so used to being told what to do and not having the responsibility of fighting back. It's easier to be a victim than a victor because being a victim, you're helpless. It's not your fault, it's someone else's fault. And I really want people to switch that mindset and be like, I don't like my life right now. Well, then I'm gonna be a victor, not a victim. And I'm gonna stand up and say, okay, I'm just gonna do a little thing. Maybe I'll try that mat. For 50 bucks, you can go get one of those grounding mats. Just put it on your mattress. You don't even have to change your habits. Just lay on something that's undoing all of the chaos of the radiation you're absorbing every day. Get one of the air purifiers. I mean, Mike's got so many incredible things that you guys have to little tweaks that you can do where you don't have to change anything in your life. You're just creating a healthier environment to be in and to function in. Drink better water, right? These are just little things you can do. And then by means, start walking. Start with five minutes a day. And then every day add a minute. And by the end of the month, you're walking for an hour. Just little things, make it different, get fresh air, get up and move. Just it doesn't have to be you in the gym getting your butt kicked for 24 hours. It's little things that you choose to be a victor, not a victim, to be healthy. And if you've never been to a chiropractor, man, reach out to me. I promise I'll find you a good one in your area. And I want you to experience the power of your brain getting the nutrients that it needs so that it can self-heal and self-regulate. I promise you it'll be one of the best decisions you've ever made.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Well said. I really appreciate the time that we shared together today. I know I learned a lot. I'm sure the listeners have learned. So I really appreciate you taking time to be here with us. And uh, we'll definitely be able to check you out on social media and your organization. Um, I know I'm gonna be looking out for what you're doing because I think it's important work. So thank you again, and I know we'll see you soon. Sounds good. God bless again. Thank you for the time. Take care.